constitutional. jon: but that system, that -- obamacare would not pass today, right now, in the u.s. congress. you know that. >> no, no, i don't think there's anybody who would think that it would pass. potentially, i mean, frankly, because of the 2010 election on its own just the shift in the house that happened. so, no, there's no way it would pass now. the problem is, it's the law -- i mean, for rick perry and these governors, it's the law of the land. and deciding that you're not going to play -- jon: so you're saying they should, they should live with a law that they don't like and a lot of the voters don't like? >> well, that's the way, that's the way democracy works. there's a lot of laws that i don't like or that you don't like. we all live by them because they're the law of the land. either change if law or implement it. jon: joe trippi, always good to get your perspective. jenna: if you break the law, you're in an entirely different situation, you and joe trippi. jon: i'll try not to do that.